[hardcore] Spleenmaster: is there a limit on the number of non-ruined hellseal items you can get per day post-quest? [hardcore] Baron von Wurlitzer: spln: no, if you're getting ruined stuff you have too many sources of damage [hardcore] lightgreycat: Try shrugging off jalapeño or whatever. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: the he-bo doesn't attach without pointing tho'. No other damage other than my weapons... Hmm. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: *attack, even. [hardcore] lightgreycat: Spleen, I'm looking at your hookah. [hardcore] lightgreycat: Did it give you a retaliatory-damage buff? [hardcore] Spleenmaster: hookah damages? [hardcore] Baron von Wurlitzer: "weapons", plural? [hardcore] Spleenmaster: running flower power. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: weapon in off-hand, Baron. -hic- [hardcore] lightgreycat: It's like an NS11 flashback, man. When people used two melee weapons. -hic- [hardcore] lightgreycat: Far out. [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: hmm... can you k-mail me your effects, Spleenmaster? [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: also, what attack are you using to kill them? [hardcore] Spleenmaster: currently? "sealed brain". that's it. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: other than what my equipment gives me. [hardcore] lightgreycat: How do you not have more than one effect going?! [hardcore] Spleenmaster: optimally sub-optimal. [hardcore] lightgreycat: And why on earth are you running a hookah if you are getting rid of its effects every turn? [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: what attack are you using, Spleenmaster? [hardcore] Spleenmaster: LTS or Smashing... whatever. [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: hmm [hardcore] LastChans: switch to a 2H club. problem solved [hardcore] lightgreycat: YOu suspect or know of a bug, LC? [hardcore] Baron von Wurlitzer: but the sledgehammer! and the smashing smashy smash or whatever it was called! [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: what I did last run was just equipped a non-stick pugil stick, a couple Elemental Supergem Rings, and LTS'ed the hellseals [hardcore] lightgreycat: I'm still leaning toward "Oh shit, I have 75 effects running and didn't know it because I'm using to play the game" [hardcore] LastChans: (hold on was busy mixing drinks and Ode-ing) [hardcore] LastChans re-reads /hc chat [hardcore] lightgreycat: The sledgehammer, I think, acts as a 2H club for LTS purposes. I'm not 100% sure of that though. [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: you can do it with one-handed clubs, but it's a lot more painful [hardcore] LastChans: don't forget to shrug off Snarl, if you were using it :D [hardcore] Spleenmaster: I figured since they're both clubs, it'd be safe damage output. [hardcore] Parse: I am. It's how I was killing the Uberhellseals. [hardcore] lightgreycat: Snarl should not matter. [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: the amount of damage you do doesn't affect it, it's the sources of damage [hardcore] LastChans: ah, i wussied out and used a bad-ass club [hardcore] lightgreycat: Also, snarl can't be shrugged per se. [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: you can have an attack doing something like.. 120 (+30) (+40) (+40), and it's fine [hardcore] Baron von Wurlitzer: snarl?? how could snarl not matter when it's a separate source of elem damage?? [hardcore] lightgreycat: It's not a separate attack. It's added TO your club's attack. [hardcore] LastChans: oh? i though snarl was its own seperate source. ok, nvm mind then [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: However, if you do 120 damage, and then an additional piece of attacking during that same round does damage, then you'll get shredded stuff [hardcore] lightgreycat: Like RT said, with his elemental gems. [hardcore] Parse: Because the damage is still being channeled through your weapon. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: So in a case like this, having tons of buffs running is NOT the best strategy? [hardcore] Baron von Wurlitzer: wow, teach me to trust the wiki and restrict myself to pure physical damage from one weapon [hardcore] lightgreycat: Spleen, please tell me what action you are performing to undo the hookah's buffs every turn. [hardcore] Baron von Wurlitzer: then again, I did get so many key ingredients that I was whisker-limited instead [hardcore] lightgreycat: And then, optionally, tell me why the fuck you are not running at least leash and empathy. -hic- [hardcore] Parse: See, that's the problem, Baron. Trust, but verify. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: y'know, lgc, just ... don't. K? [hardcore] lightgreycat: I'm really trying to help you, spleen. It's very difficult. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: I come to /hc to get help, not snark. You haven't recognized that yet. [hardcore] Lord Bitchalot: greycat is just a very angry person, but he means well. [hardcore] lightgreycat: So you're running mafia, and your hookah gave you jabanero or jalapeno or scarysauce, and you didn't know it. Problem solved. [hardcore] Lord Bitchalot: he wants you to succeed, and knows you can, that's why he's angry [hardcore] Spleenmaster: I don't do "dumb things" on purpose. All I need is a little nudge in the right direction once in a while. [hardcore] lightgreycat: Does "not running leash, empathy, or ben-gal" count as dumb? [hardcore] RoyalTonberry: hmm.. running leash and empathy in aftercore with a Beholder versus things that don't drop Meat does indeed sound dumb [hardcore] Burmhool: It's a relaxed style of play -hic- [hardcore] Verbal Kint: And remember, /hardcore is like an Eagle Scout raised by wolves. It has great willingness to help, but few social skills worth speaking of. [hardcore] Friederike: you can't just go and do whatever you like! [hardcore] Bordeaux523: You speak truth, VK. ^_^ [hardcore] lightgreycat: If you're seeking help, and people ask you for additional information, and you refuse to provide it, then who's the one with the "social skills" problem? [hardcore] Spleenmaster: what info have I not provided? [hardcore] Bordeaux523: There's enough lack of social skills to go around, myself included. Please believe! [hardcore] lightgreycat: You did not tell me how you were undoing the hookah's buffs. [hardcore] Parse: I have to wonder, what's [hardcore] Spleenmaster: also, I used the beholder for it's major rays and ghoul properties. [hardcore] Spleenmaster: if the hookah gave a buff I liked, I'd run it out. If not, I'd run it out. [hardcore] Parse: ... the additional MP gain for +5lbs on a 25 pound ghuol whelp...